jo_graham ([info]jo_graham) wrote,
@ 2008-07-23 17:34:00
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Some Thoughts on Villainy
In my opinion, in real life it's very rare for someone to "be the villain." Most people don't walk around cackling and planning to destroy the world by reversing the Earth's magnetic field like comic book villains! And past a certain point, the Evil Meglomaniac Supervillain isn't very plausible in a book.

And yet there is evil in the world.



In real life, it seems to me that there are three reasons why people do evil things.

1. Self interest. I think that about 90% of the evil that happens in the real world is because of people acting in their personal, or their groups', self interest at the expense of other people. There's nothing crazy about murdering the king to take the throne, or about cheating people out of money. There's nothing crazy about declaring war on people who are weaker than you so that you can take their stuff. There's nothing crazy about destroying natural resources in a way that will precipiate a crisis after you're long dead. There's nothing crazy about looting valuable and irreplaceable objects, or killing people to take their land. All of those are very rational things to do, if all one values is one's own self interest.

After all, why worry about consequences that will happen long after you're dead? It's somebody else's problem. Why worry about consequences to people you don't know and don't care about?

For that matter, what about the mundane evil of screwing someone over to get them fired so you can have their job? Of going after someone else's spouse? Of driving away from an accident if nobody saw it? Of making a mistake in the workplace look like someone else's fault?

Often people rationalize this kind of evil. Well, I would do a better job than he would, so it was really ok for me to screw him over because I'm really more deserving. If she can't keep her husband, then he's fair game. It's not like the owner will care about the wreck -- after all the insurance will probably pay it all anyhow.

We're hesitant to name it evil. Of course, many of the greatest writers have.

"Is this a dagger I see before me, the handle toward my hand?" Shakespeare's Macbeth does not start out intending to commit murder, but he goes there. Once we start rationalizing, where do we end?

And whose place is it to call a spade a spade? Whose job is it to stop it?

The hero.

2. They Think What They're Doing Is Right. The second most prevalent evil comes from people mistakenly doing what they think is right, but is actually harmful. Because of their personal blinders or because of pride or another personality flaw, people do something they think is right that is actually wrong. They support a contender for the throne who turns out to be motivated only by self interest. They believe that electroshock treatments will help people who are depressed. They believe that someone is possessed and needs to be exorcised. They believe they're voting for the candidate who is best for the country.

Very often this is motivated by a sincere desire to help people based upon prejudices. For example, the idea that Native American children would be better off taken away from their parents and raised in Indian Schools where they would leave their "inferior" culture behind. The people who did this were trying to help. But breaking families apart, breaking people's hearts, was a very great evil.

This is perhaps the hardest kind of evil to deal with, because the people who are perpetrating it believe that they are the heroes. And they are, in a twisted way. But therein lies the tragedy -- to do great evil unwittingly.

3. Mental Illness or the Like. If you think about Real Life, many of the terrible things that commonly happen to people are because someone else is crazy or has a problem they're not addressing. The drunk driver, the abusive parent, the narcissistic girlfriend, the pathological lier, the bipolar boss -- they don't mean to do evil. But they do. They make other people miserable. They hurt other people. The person the drunk driver hit is just as dead as if they'd intended it. The child the abusive parent hits is just as hurt as if they didn't mean it.

This is the villainy we understand best -- it was almost an accident! Our tendency is to excuse and to remove responsibility, to say, "Well, he can't help it."

We like that excuse so much that we search wildly for more and more baroque theories of mental illness to explain why bad things happen. Take a look around at some of the armchair psychologists examining Hitler! He was bipolar. Sociopathic. Had too much testosterone. Had too little testosterone. Had mother issues. On and on and on. We'd like to be able to prove some bizarre theory so that we could put it all away in the Crazy Meglomaniac Supervillain box.

So that we don't have to admit that millions of sane, rational people just like us voted for him.

Because that's really scary.

We like our Villains with a big V. We like our comic book maniacal laughter. Because what deep down really scares us is wondering if we aren't the villain.


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[info]shezan
2008-07-23 11:26 pm UTC (link)
... and this guy?

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[info]shezan
2008-07-23 11:27 pm UTC (link)
... alas, 4. would be "because they enjoy it."

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[info]arabwel
2008-07-24 02:39 pm UTC (link)
I wonder, you know what they say about insanity - i you wonder if you are crazy, or think tghat you aren, you can;t be - does that apply to evil as well?

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OT
[info]selenak
2008-07-31 06:05 am UTC (link)
Spotted yesterday, in London (Borders, Oxford Street)

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Re: OT
[info]jo_graham
2008-08-06 02:23 pm UTC (link)
That is so incredibly lovely! Thank you for the picture!

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Black Ships Amazing
(Anonymous)
2008-08-01 07:10 pm UTC (link)
I picked up Black Ships at the local library mainly because the cover art and the synopsis of the story intrigued me. The book was amazing. Please tell my your next novel is soon on the horizon.

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Re: Black Ships Amazing
[info]jo_graham
2008-08-06 02:25 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much! I really appreciate it, and I'm so happy you enjoyed it!

Yes, my next novel is on the horizon! Hand of Isis will be out on March 23! It's currently in the stage of having the maps drawn, and will come back to me for final copyedits in the next two weeks! I'll post more about it then.

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Re: Black Ships Amazing
[info]jordan179
2008-10-20 12:45 am UTC (link)
Great book. I read it because I'm interested in everything Classical or High Ancient. It wasn't until Gull met Xandros and he explained that this fleet was the last from his city that I realized: "Hey, this is starting to sound a lot like the Aeneid," just a bit before Aeneas was actually introduced by name. Another cool moment of recognition came when I saw the friendship developing between Aeneas and Princess Basetamon and it gradually dawned on me that she was going to be "Dido."

Did you ever read the Harold O'Shea story where he found himself in Virgil's world? That, of course, adhered much closer to the original epic, because it was its own pocket universe rather than our Earth in the past. It's one of the ones that was written in the 1990's -- I don't remember whether it was DeCamp, Stasheff or somebody else.

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Re: Black Ships Amazing
[info]jo_graham
2008-10-28 02:38 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so much! I'm very glad you enjoyed it!

No, I've never read that story -- I should look for it!

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(Anonymous)
2008-08-01 10:05 pm UTC (link)
I just finished Black Ships, and I know this comment doesn't really have anything to do with villainy, but I wanted to tell you that I think your book was amazing! I loved the entire thing, and I can't wait for the Hand of Isis!

<3 K. Hedayat

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[info]jo_graham
2008-08-06 02:26 pm UTC (link)
Thank you so very, very much! I really appreciate it!

Hand of Isis is coming back to me for final copyedits in the next two weeks, so it's almost done!

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(Anonymous)
2008-08-21 06:46 pm UTC (link)
Hooray!!! :)
-K.H.

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[info]jordan179
2008-10-20 12:39 am UTC (link)
3. Mental Illness or the Like. If you think about Real Life, many of the terrible things that commonly happen to people are because someone else is crazy or has a problem they're not addressing. The drunk driver, the abusive parent, the narcissistic girlfriend, the pathological lier, the bipolar boss -- they don't mean to do evil. But they do. They make other people miserable. They hurt other people. The person the drunk driver hit is just as dead as if they'd intended it. The child the abusive parent hits is just as hurt as if they didn't mean it.

My mother was like that. Crazy as a loon, but genuinly loved my father and myself in a sort of selfish three-year-old way. She would have been horrified to realize how much damage she did to both of us. I think she may have realized a little of it, before she died. I find it very hard to hate her.

We like that excuse so much that we search wildly for more and more baroque theories of mental illness to explain why bad things happen. Take a look around at some of the armchair psychologists examining Hitler! He was bipolar. Sociopathic. Had too much testosterone. Had too little testosterone. Had mother issues. On and on and on. We'd like to be able to prove some bizarre theory so that we could put it all away in the Crazy Meglomaniac Supervillain box.

And of course with Hitler the irony was that he was probably only a little bit crazy (in the medical sense) at the beginning. Much of what he did came from a combination of the erosion of his decency from four years in the trenches of World War One, combined with logical reasoning from bad premises regarding the nature of race, culture and national identity.

Toward the end he was utterly mad, but by "toward the end" I mean after Stalingrad, when he knew he was losing, and especially after his wounding in the Stauffenberg Bomb Plot, when he had to go on some pretty hefty pain medications in an era when their danger was not fully grasped. He was mostly sane when he ordered the invasions of Poland, France, and Russia -- and the Holocaust.

Thinking about it, that is scary. I wrote a story once where he received his powers of oratory by means of a demonic pact, but I know that was fiction. The truth is that he was just a persuasive and intelligent man operating from very bad premises at exactly the right moment in history to make a difference.

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[info]jo_graham
2008-10-28 02:37 pm UTC (link)
My mother was like that. Crazy as a loon, but genuinly loved my father and myself in a sort of selfish three-year-old way.

I know what you mean, and that's the hardest thing to cope with. That's where I was going with Basetamon. She doesn't mean to hurt. But she's truly being abusive to Neas. And the best thing he can do is run away at full speed, but that is also disastrous for her.

The truth is that he was just a persuasive and intelligent man operating from very bad premises at exactly the right moment in history to make a difference.

And what should scare us is how many reasonable people supported him. It's so easy to check our ethics at the door, or to get stirred up against "the other."

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