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The Furies Reaction Post

A reader asks if I can put up a Furies reaction post for people to talk about the book and ask questions with plenty of spoilers. Sure! Ask away! Talk away!

And also let me share one absolutely beautiful reaction -- Hiveshipmist sends me the link to this gorgeous art of Waterlight and Bronze from The Furies! It's lovely, and what could be a greater compliment than inspiring wonderful art!

So let's talk about The Furies!

Also ETA: a reader asks, "Is Jennifer pregnant?"

Noooo. I have no idea what gave that impression, but no. Really. Not. Jennifer is not pregnant!

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TheyCallMeBT
Jun. 23rd, 2012 08:59 pm (UTC)
Weir
I'm only at about 80% of the book, so I'll probably finish it tonight. So my question may be answered more by the end. But it's looking pretty solid to me that Dr. Weir did somehow ascend. She's now appeared in Teyla and McKay's dreams, she's said a few things about Daniel not remembering, and it overall pretty cryptic like Oma. Anyone else? If so, "which" Weir do you think it is? The original, who had her nanites reactivated that Oberoth said was killed? Or the one that was electrical signals and them embodied a Fran replicator body?

I'm sure I'll have more after I finish the book. I've enjoyed Guide and Keller's rapport and how a lot of them (minus Ronan) have started looking at the Wraith, or at least some of them, as people. And how the same feelings are for the Wraith.
jo_graham
Jun. 23rd, 2012 09:21 pm (UTC)
Re: Weir
Yes, that really is Elizabeth. It's not Rodney's imagination, as he thought in Allegiance, and she truly is trying to help. You make a good point about Oma -- Oma made it very clear that she wasn't free to act as she wished, and that if she did there would be terrible consequences. And we've seen what happened when Ascended Daniel did intervene! So I think we can assume she has to walk a pretty fine line about how much help she can give Rodney and about how much she can tell Teyla.

Any thoughts on what she's trying to do and the directions she's trying to guide them?

And I'm so glad you're enjoying the book!
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thesistersweb
Jun. 23rd, 2012 09:11 pm (UTC)
i got the book yestuday and finished it late last night and OMP it was amazing to read. wonderfull plot twist here and there and you answered some questions but still left them open for more info. i really love Guide and Keller and at the end oh man i squealed. i really do hope stealflower can pull it off.
jo_graham
Jun. 23rd, 2012 09:22 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! I thought you would like Jennifer's choices and how she's trying to solve the problem. But at the end? What do you think happened?
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tielan
Jun. 23rd, 2012 10:39 pm (UTC)
But when a woman faints or feels tired, she must be pregnant!

(It has nothing to do with the fact that she just worked for several days straight on an intense and challenging project in an unfamiliar environment, and then injected herself with a serum designed to pretty much change the way her body reacts to a Wraith feeding.)

I am loving this book like crazy. I'm just trying to work out how to review it without gushing like a fountain...
jo_graham
Jun. 24th, 2012 01:44 pm (UTC)
Yeah, all that! I think it might be more instructive to ask about that last batch of serum she injected herself with!

I'm so glad you love it! And please gush away!
kaviiq
Jun. 23rd, 2012 10:52 pm (UTC)
Firstly, thanks; it was nice of you to put up this post.

I'm still in the process of processing things, but on the whole, this book took my feelings and used it as a punching bag. The most insidious case was that three-line flashback Guide had when he was watching Teyla and John talk. I have a tendency to skip over stuff, so after I read that passage and found it a bit sappy, I re-read it. It hit me about ten seconds later that Snow was very likely dying in those three lines, and I did feel a bit of a chill down my spine. Fridge Horror, I guess you could call it.

What's really funny, though, is that most of the emotional arm-twisting moments that I had came from Wraith-heavy scenes. Which makes sense in a way, since they're creatures of emotion. When you've got a race that prefers to communicate in terms of emotion and that relies heavily on sensuality to function socially, it would make a lot of sense for them to inspire emotions in others.
jo_graham
Jun. 24th, 2012 01:47 pm (UTC)
I think that's a good point about communicating with emotion. Mind speech is necessarily tinged with emotion -- even names carry emotion and weight, as human names don't. If you think about it, the only names that do are the nicknames we choose for each other -- Honey and Darling, Baby and Peapod and Butch and Spike and Bro and Big Daddy. Our given names tend to be very generic. Oh look -- another Michelle or Bob!
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jarodrussell
Jun. 24th, 2012 10:19 am (UTC)
Is Guide's the only hiveship with Asgard-like beaming capabilities? I know the darts use a quasi-beaming technology, and he had ample time opportunities to snag the tech, but for the life of me I don't remember Wraith having that kind of thing. It was a nice, surprising save either way.

Also, having John say he lets the city top cracked me up. Very nice.

Lastly, Teyla says there were three daughters. In your opinion, do the Replicators not warrant inclusion or is that strictly Teyla's omission?
jo_graham
Jun. 24th, 2012 01:49 pm (UTC)
Guide's is one of a very few. It's as you surmise, taking the dart's capability and extending it. It has a very short range. You could beam between ships near each other, but not down to a planet.

John totally lets the city top! :D

That's Teyla's omission. Teyla doesn't think of the Replicators as people -- everyone has different blind spots!
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kickstand75
Jun. 25th, 2012 03:00 am (UTC)
It's probably too early to start whining when the next book will be out, right? ;) I LOVED this book. First off, as a John/Teyla shipper, I was so happy to get him leaving her bed early in the morning. :) Though rather PG, I did a little happy dance. Secondly, Teyla and Guide.....he is just such an intriguing character. In the show first and now how you have developed him. love it. Third, Jennifer! Wow. While completely in canon character, you've managed to make me really like her. :)

And holy heck....what a cliffhanger! Where the heck are Ronan, Jennifer, and Rodney???????
tielan
Jun. 25th, 2012 08:16 am (UTC)
I'm hoping they keep to the last-mentioned plan, which means "Secrets" (Secrets?) will come out right around my birthday!
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jansma
Jun. 25th, 2012 08:32 pm (UTC)
I have a list. As you do. And I loved the book, but being me I have questions and like to strip things down.

Btw... Jennifer pregnant? o.O Not unless it's the immaculate conception, which I doubt.

1. 'Tinkering with the enzyme' (Carson), so does that mean Wraith will need to also be injected, and does this RV actually change Wraith genome? Or is Carson misinformed?
2. If the above is true, then why is it Jennifer who is injected?
3. Why do humans need adaption anyway if it's the enzyme that's being changed?
4. Todd's deals... Ronon still can't see past his hatred. Will he ever be able to come to a place where it is mollified?
5. The Old One is one of the original 99?
6. What is his role in supporting Death, and how has he been implicated in her rise to infamy?
7. What does he know about her that she is so careful to keep from other Queens?
8. Madonna? Really? Jon Bon Jovi? :S
9. Puzzled that Sable doesn't recognise Teyla from her previous visit to the hive?
10. 'I give you my true name, Fair One.' Really? Just how significant is that for him? I know what I think, but you may well have a different take on it. So, for that matter, may Jen.
11. Tracking her neck, and cheeks? Now that's perving. :D
12. Tracing a finger up her cheek is also PERVING!
13. I do not object to perving in any way, manner or form.
14. So WTF is happening to Jen? The fit has to be linked to her lack of any ancient gene, and a certain compatibility to Wraithiness?
15. How will Todd take the news she's been taken ill? Is he gonna insist on having her on the hive to take care of her? Carson, Ronon et al will have a blue fit. :D Splendid.

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jo_graham
Jun. 25th, 2012 09:39 pm (UTC)
Oh golly you do have a list! Ok -- working on it from top to bottom!

1. No, it does not affect the Wraith genome. The change is entirely in the human.

2. Because it's only the human who needs to change, it's Jennifer who needs to be injected.

3. It's not the enzyme itself -- it's the human's reaction with the enzyme, as was true of the Hoffan drug.

4. I can't answer that! It's spoilery!

5. OH what a question! Yes. Yes, he is.

6. He has been grooming her for some years.

7. I can't tell you that -- it's spoilery! Though Guide will not be surprised.

8. Yes. Really.

9. Perhaps he wasn't there then. Steelflower's hive has taken in many from other hives who didn't want to bow to Death.

10. Pretty significant! :)

11. Yes. :)

12. Yes. :)

13. Somehow I didn't think you would!

14. You remember how she took the second trial of the retrovirus and apparently nothing happened?

15. That depends on if he finds out about it, doesn't it?
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xenodyssey
Jun. 26th, 2012 06:03 am (UTC)
The retrovirus
Having just finished the Furies (and thanks for such a great read), I've been wondering among many other things about a connection between the retrovirus that Jennifer has been experimenting with and what was done to Teyla's ancestors to make them "taste" better to the Wraith...And ended up giving them the Gift.

BTW I have really been also enjoying all the little subplots involving Jack, Cassie, Dr Robinson and all the others. Guess we don't know just where they might all lead.
jo_graham
Jun. 26th, 2012 04:23 pm (UTC)
Re: The retrovirus
Thank you! I'm so glad you're enjoying it!

Humm. What an interesting thought! ;) It could certainly be....
abhinavatlantis
Jun. 26th, 2012 10:11 am (UTC)
Hi. First of all, Thank you so much for the wonderful series so far. I have immensely enjoyed everything so far. I just bought the Furies and am about to start but I had question regarding Allegiance ever since reading it as to why did Carter's Deadlus Class ship not use beam weapons in its confrontation with the hives? Sorry for posting it here but could not figure out where else to ask. Thanks.
jo_graham
Jun. 26th, 2012 04:25 pm (UTC)
I don't actually know! Allegiance isn't my book, and I don't know why Melissa and Amy made the tactical choices they made. You'll have to ask them.

The reason she doesn't use the Asgard beams in The Furies is because the Hammond was badly damaged at the end of Allegiance -- so much so it's a wonder the ship survived. She's having to patch it with inferior grade hull plating just to get it flyable, and there are complicated systems that can't be repaired on the fly with what they have in Atlantis -- one of which is the Asgard weapons, which are of course very high tech and complex. Sam will have to wait until they get back to Earth for that.
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Shawn Edwards
Jun. 27th, 2012 04:12 am (UTC)
4 US Daedulus ships?
As I understand it, The EU is completing a Daedalus ship while Russia is not too far behind. In addition, India is creating a "research vessel" that is similar. The Furies states that the US has 4 ships. The Hammond, Odyssey and the Daedalus are mentioned. What is #4? I can only assume the Apollo. Wasn't the Sun Tsu destroyed?

BTW, where was the Odyssey that it would take weeks to return even with ZPM powered engines?!? Chasing the Destiny?
jo_graham
Jun. 27th, 2012 11:09 am (UTC)
Re: 4 US Daedulus ships?
Yes, the fourth is Apollo, currently in the Milky Way dealing with the Lucian Alliance. Odyssey is on deep space exploration. They haven't found Destiny yet -- this is a few months before the group goes through the wormhole.
jansma
Jun. 29th, 2012 07:35 am (UTC)
OK, new questions (I've been rereading properly, so I miss nothing) here:

1. Please explain 'hand-reared' in terms of humans. Are we talking from the cradle?
2. Guide alowed Teyla to share the sensation of feeding, and of giving life? Why? I can think of a couple of reasons, both of which serve his purpose very well.
3. In said life-sharing, it didn't seem to be so much about Teyla as about Jen. Is that how he sees this, that he has mingled his life with Jen's?
4. Just how significant is this, especially as she's AWOL atm?

Thanks... :D
jo_graham
Jun. 29th, 2012 10:42 am (UTC)
You have been busy! :)

1. Not necessarily from the cradle, but certainly from childhood.

2. I think the biggest reason was he wanted her to understand. That's the only part of Wraith life she's not able to participate in, the only mystery that she can't have. But she can have it vicariously through him. He wants her to know what it is to be Wraith, fully and completely.

3. Yes, just as in Common Ground he mingled his life with John's.

4. It is significant. It was certainly significant when he shared life with John, and that led to if not trust, at least common ground between them.
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hiveshipmist
Jul. 4th, 2012 06:11 pm (UTC)
The paperback arrived Monday and I finished it today. One of my favorite parts was Torren showing up all the adults, human and Wraith, by not caring what his mother looks like on the outside. Precious and priceless!

I laughed out loud when reading about the games Quicksilver found on Ember's computer. Is the silver blade part of the game piece set? Is Towers based off of a real-life game, something fans can find and play, either with software or as a real game board?

Also, can you tell more about the function of the chrysalis, what it looks like, who tends to it, and so forth? By Quicksilver's use of the word creche it sounds like a fully-devoted adult babysits the young. Does the chrysalis feed the infant until he or she can be fruit-fed or does the Queen feed her child with milk or possibly life-force?

Lastly, the backstory of Roanoke sounds important. Professional writers don't just throw things like this in books for nothing... I suspect it is there to foreshadow a peaceful establishment of humans and Wraith with humans feeding Wraith without harm and humans enjoying longer lives from the Gift when they are ill and need it, spreading life force around and sharing among all. *fingers crossed* If so, hopefully, Ronon will get on board eventually and not end up like the Old One. From Allegiance, I got the impression The Old One was willing to sacrifice the lives of everyone, all humans and Wraith, to get revenge on the Ancients whose genes still live on in people like John. It's not enough for him the Ancients themselves are gone.

Addition: I also like the cliffhanger ending with trio in the lifepod of a low-on-energy Wraith Rodney who will wake up soon, unconscious Jen, and Wraith-hating Ronon who might be forced to work with Wraith Rodney on getting out of the bind (or, at least he will be forced to spend time with Rodney like this). Oh, I can't wait for the next book!



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jo_graham
Jul. 6th, 2012 12:12 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you got it and devoured it! :)

No, sadly Towers is not a real game! It exists in Melissa's mind. She's the one who created it for the Wraith. Like chess, it's a capture game, with the principal piece being The Hive which moves very slowly and must be taken by other pieces to win, or protected to the end. The most powerful piece on the board is, naturally, the Queen.

My thought was that naturally conceived Wraith children grow and age more slowly than human children, so infancy may last five years! That's an awfully long time to have a baby. The chrysalis is very like the stasis pods we've seen, but the infant isn't in stasis. It provides nutrients and a safe, warm place, almost like a second womb, to hold the baby through what would be for us the first four or five months but for a Wraith may be two years or more! As the infant gets older, they spend less time in the chrysalis and more time interacting with adults, just as a human infant spends less time sleeping in a cradle as they get older, and more time playing.

In a hive that needs to build up, a Queen may have several children in the Creche at once, or there may be several if there is more than one queen, say a Queen and her daughter who is old enough to have children of her own. The Creche is the section of the ship devoted to their nurture, with a chrysalis and rooms for the older children, games and things for them to learn. The Creche is overseen by the Creche Master, who is one of the ship's officers. If it's a fairly large hive and there are several children there will be assistants and a full staff. On some hives this may include Wraith Worshippers.

Roanoke! You will have to wait and see! :)

hopefully, Ronon will get on board eventually and not end up like the Old One.

And there, in one sentence, you have summed up Ronon's plot and his choices for the rest of the series! Will he become the Old One or not? How did the Old One become who he is, and what will Ronon do when confronted with the same choices?

I'm very glad you like the cliffhanger trio in the lifepod! Oh yes! That's going to be an interesting ride in Secrets! :D
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kurley_girl
Jul. 4th, 2012 08:07 pm (UTC)
Great book!
I downloaded and read it as soon as you left the link on Beya. So much for savoring it to make it last longer! But am I the only one who didn't know Teyla had been married??? When did that happen?!

And I guess that leads me to my next question: are any of the novels canon?

Also, could Jen's reaction to the retrovirus be exacerbated by almost being turned into a hive ship in 'the Seed'?
jo_graham
Jul. 5th, 2012 07:30 pm (UTC)
Re: Great book!
Thank you! I'm so glad you liked it!

I first talked about Teyla's marriage in Death Game, SGA novel #14, which came out two years ago. It was when she was very young, and it ended long before the beginning of the series.

All of the novels are completely approved by MGM three times -- every single word is approved twice in an intensive edit. Some people consider that canon and some don't, so that's up to you, but everything is laboriously approved by MGM!

:) Oh yes! It could indeed! And a good thought that this has something to do with the retrovirus! Very clever.
hiveshipmist
Jul. 5th, 2012 11:25 am (UTC)
Back again after more reflecting... How significant is it Ardent yielded to Steelflower: did he merely allow her to pass through or did he submit himself to her rule instead of Death's? I'm wondering if we will see him again. If Queen Death learns of what Ardent witnessed, she will not be happy about it.

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jo_graham
Jul. 6th, 2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
Sadly for old Ardent, he was on the hive when it exploded. So a moot point!
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hiveshipmist
Jul. 5th, 2012 01:53 pm (UTC)
Another question: do you have pictures of inspirations for the hanging bed? I'm having a wonderful time Googling 'hanging beds' and 'beds with lights.' This is so fun!!! :D

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jo_graham
Jul. 6th, 2012 02:47 pm (UTC)
I don't have a particular picture. My imagining was very much dark fairy tale in tone, Wraith queen as Persephone the Queen of the Underworld.
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