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So, a fun question for Lost Things readers -- would you join the Aedificatorii Templi? Why or why not?

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cadenzamuse
Aug. 14th, 2012 07:39 pm (UTC)
No, mostly because I'm uncomfortable on a personal religious level with the energies/deities described. I have been meaning to hit you up for recommendations on Judeo-Christian magical practices, however; that scene from the Elza books made me jump up and go "I WOULD JOIN THAT IN A HEARTBEAT." Although, unlike Elza, I would probably be dedicated to Gabriel (although possibly to Raphael).
jo_graham
Aug. 15th, 2012 11:21 am (UTC)
It's interesting -- Raphael and Gabriel tend to symbolize opposite and yet complimentary approaches, knowledge and intuition, learning and talent, skill and inspiration. And of course at some point many endeavors require both. Excelling in music requires skill and practice, but also talent and inspiration, for example. In terms of professions that "belong" to each, a good example is that Raphael is the patron of medicine and Gabriel of counseling. But -- at some point, each requires the other. Medicine as a mechanical discipline cut off from the personality and needs of the patient is empty, while counseling requires understanding of the chemical and electrical processes of the brain. So they're really closely tied together.

Ok, if you have not read this book you must! It's been out of print forever but it's back now in ebook. It's exactly the kind of Christian magical practices that I'm talking about in the Elza books, in a more modern context. (This takes place in the late 80s.)
lferion
Aug. 14th, 2012 07:53 pm (UTC)
In a heartbeat, yes, if they'd have me.

They put substance over show, but don't deny the usefulness of the outward stuff (the vestments, the tools, the ritual structures and so forth). They just don't get hung up on it -- not even Jerry. They appreciate and make use of the talents they have/are given, shaping the Work and their lives starting from where they are and aiming for where they want to be, rather than some 'should-be' place either as start or goal. (I hope that makes sense.) Eclectic, syncretic, appreciating worth where found. Recognizing reality, physics, social forms, but not being rigidly bound by them.
jo_graham
Aug. 15th, 2012 11:24 am (UTC)
Yes, I think that's the key -- they recognize the limitations but aren't bound. It's not that they rebel for the sake of rebelling, either, tossing out things simply because they're conventional or belong to previous generations. But they aren't afraid to restructure, either ritually or in their lives, when it's needed.
tricksterquinn
Aug. 14th, 2012 07:57 pm (UTC)
I would in a heartbeat. They are pragmatic, practical, and dedicated, and they do the work set before them. Yes.
jo_graham
Aug. 15th, 2012 11:25 am (UTC)
Somehow I'm not surprised! :D
azarias
Aug. 14th, 2012 09:40 pm (UTC)
For a spiritual session? No. For dinner? Yep!
jo_graham
Aug. 15th, 2012 11:31 am (UTC)
Sadly, none of them can cook except sort of Lewis....
azarias
Aug. 15th, 2012 04:02 pm (UTC)
That's okay. I'm a fair cook and I like feeding people who like eating.
aishabintjamil
Aug. 15th, 2012 02:53 am (UTC)
If I didn't have other commitments already, then yes. I'd work with them as brethren in a heartbeat.
jo_graham
Aug. 15th, 2012 11:37 am (UTC)
And somehow that doesn't surprise me either! :)
mari4212
Aug. 15th, 2012 11:11 pm (UTC)
On a personal religious level, probably not, as that's not my relationship to the divine. Though the mid-church Episcopalian in me loves the respect for, not dependence upon, use of symbolism to create meaning.

In terms of moral philosophy and attitudes about responsibility to others? Yes, absolutely. I'm syncretic enough about religions, and have studied enough, to believe that most of them are pointing at the same truth, just through different modes of relationship. So, in a pinch if I were needed, I'd have no qualms, but I don't think I'd be a permanent member. In the meantime, I've got my own responsibilities to take care of other people going on. Heck, that's one of the main reasons I joined Americorps.

Or, like cadenzamuse said, I'd probably more join Elza's version with the Christian imagery, just because that's how I personally relate to the divine.
jo_graham
Aug. 16th, 2012 02:46 pm (UTC)
I can see that! It's a very flexible tradition, and one in which Lewis doesn't have to renounce his Catholicism to be Alma's partner. But yes, the version in Elza's world uses more of the Christian imagery, and is considered at the time very liberal for having both Catholics and Protestants in the circle. (Max is Lutheran, which people keep bringing up because it's important!)
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