jo_graham ([info]jo_graham) wrote,
@ 2009-04-02 17:56:00
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Let's Talk About Dion
Several readers have told me that Dion was their surprise favorite in Hand of Isis -- that they had expected to like Charmian, but Dion stole the show for them.



Dion fascinated me from the beginning because he embodies something that we moderns think of as a contradiction -- a man of science who is a man of faith. We tend to think of these as incompatible beliefs. I don't think this is necessarily true, and certainly the ancients did not hold it to be so. My father was a scientist and a man of faith, and he put it this way, "Science explains how things happen. Religion explains why." There's no contradiction between those things, and certainly Dion would not see one.

Dion also takes a lot of roles that we might consider contradictory -- the devoted partner who has an open relationship, the father of his best friend's child who is not her biological parent, and not the least in his culture, a Hellenized Jew.

What do you guys think of Dion? What surprised you?


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[info]fried_flamingo
2009-04-03 12:40 am UTC (link)
As you probably have gathered by now, Dion is my favourite character from the novel *g* Charmian I can identify with more, perhaps because her actions and motives are timelessly feminine, and yet such female characters are rarely depicted in fiction (where the term feminine carries too many presuppositions and negative connotations). But for all that Dion latched onto my heart as soon as he clambered over the stone tiers to bug Charmian all through The Myrmidons *g*

To be honest, I think the Science vs Faith contradiction was resolved so well with Dion's character that it had me asking 'Why can't everyone see it like that?' lol. Your rationale is so logical and cohesive that it seems insane how more people haven't realised that it's possible to marry the two :) The How goes hand in hand with the Why, rather than being at odds with it, and Dion is a perfect example of the way in which this is possible. Your father was obviously a wise man.

I think the thing that surprised me most was the fact that there is no ambiguity in Dion's sexuality; he is an unapologetic gay man and, where some might have taken refuge in ambiguity, you had no qualms in depicting him as such. I was wondering if this was ever an issue with your agent/publisher? Is there still a bias towards het relationships?

Even in the relationship with Emrys and Charmian, the defining characteristics of the Charmian/Dion relationship never wavered. Despite the closeness they shared with Emrys, and their one sexual encounter, the love they had for one another was always pure and uncomplicated and devoid of sexual desire. I love the clarity of that depiction.

Lastly I hate you and I love you for breaking our hearts in the way that you did with those final scenes. I can't remember the last time I read something that produced such a visceral reaction in me (Oh yes I can. It was when you killed Xandros! You evil wench! *g*) But seriously those final moments with Dion bringing the cobra and the thought of what pain he must've been experiencing in that moment just destroyed me (bloody hell, I'm tearing up again!).

If it wasn't for the whole concept of your Numinous World, I think I'd have been devasted completely. Everytime I think of the image of Dion carrying Emrys' body from the battle, I have to immediately remind myself that they are going to find each other again and again.

I have got about a million other things to say about Dion, but I'd end up rambling forever. Suffice to say I don't think he ever considers his contradictions to be necessarily at odds with each other. I don't think he's a conflicted man at all - he simply accepts the things that make sense to him.

(Oh and one final superficial thing. If you could cast Dion, who would you choose?)

ETA: bloody hell, that was a long comment! lol

Edited at 2009-04-03 12:41 am UTC

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[info]jo_graham
2009-04-08 11:02 am UTC (link)
Charmian I can identify with more, perhaps because her actions and motives are timelessly feminine, and yet such female characters are rarely depicted in fiction

That is true of me as well, and one of the reasons I chose Charmian as narrator. I love the Warrior Princess, don't get me wrong, but lately in fiction we're stuck on that archetype as the be-all and end-all of what a woman should be. Charmian is a very different type, and I wanted to explore that. With the three sisters, we get a look at three very different archetypes, with none of them preferred.

To be honest, I think the Science vs Faith contradiction was resolved so well with Dion's character that it had me asking 'Why can't everyone see it like that?' lol. Your rationale is so logical and cohesive that it seems insane how more people haven't realised that it's possible to marry the two

That's what I've always thought. But it seems to be a difficulty for many people.

Your father was obviously a wise man.

He was indeed. And the world is a poorer place for his passing from it.

he is an unapologetic gay man and, where some might have taken refuge in ambiguity, you had no qualms in depicting him as such. I was wondering if this was ever an issue with your agent/publisher? Is there still a bias towards het relationships?

Actually, this was never an issue with my editor at all! I have a wonderful editor at Orbit, and she had no problem whatsoever with Dion being gay. I've been very fortunate in finding an editor who would let me take chances, and there are certainly plenty of chances taken in Hand of Isis!

Also, thanks to the hard work and risks of authors who came before, it's not as difficult to write gay characters as it used to be. There is a long line of authors from Mary Renault through Melissa Scott and Diana Gabaldon who have done it in a far more restrictive climate, and it is because of them that I never really had a problem with it.

Even in the relationship with Emrys and Charmian, the defining characteristics of the Charmian/Dion relationship never wavered. Despite the closeness they shared with Emrys, and their one sexual encounter, the love they had for one another was always pure and uncomplicated and devoid of sexual desire.

Philia, not eros, as Charmian says. They love each other as brother and sister. I think it's the strength of that relationship that makes sharing Emrys successful. That's the rock -- Dion and Charmian.

Lastly I hate you and I love you for breaking our hearts in the way that you did with those final scenes. I can't remember the last time I read something that produced such a visceral reaction in me (Oh yes I can. It was when you killed Xandros! You evil wench! *g*) But seriously those final moments with Dion bringing the cobra and the thought of what pain he must've been experiencing in that moment just destroyed me (bloody hell, I'm tearing up again!).

It pretty much destroyed me writing it too. My partner had me weeping in the kitchen when I was writing it. I'd come down weeping, make another cup of coffee, and go back to work on it.

Recently a friend of mine said, "Why don't you write Hypatia? You could do a wonderful book about Hypatia!" I said "Absolutely not! I can't put myself through that!" *G*

If it wasn't for the whole concept of your Numinous World, I think I'd have been devasted completely. Everytime I think of the image of Dion carrying Emrys' body from the battle, I have to immediately remind myself that they are going to find each other again and again.

They will. Again and again. All of them, in different constellations. Stick with me and there will be lots more stories!

Oh and one final superficial thing. If you could cast Dion, who would you choose?

You know, I don't know! I have a very clear picture of him in my mind, but I'm not certain who I would cast. I suppose he looks most like very young Timothy Dalton in Lion in Winter....

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[info]lonelywalker
2009-04-03 08:43 am UTC (link)
Dion also takes a lot of roles that we might consider contradictory -- the devoted partner who has an open relationship, the father of his best friend's child who is not her biological parent, and not the least in his culture, a Hellenized Jew.

I think the thing I loved most was that he doesn't agonize over any of these apparent contradictions. They just are.

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[info]jo_graham
2009-04-08 11:03 am UTC (link)
Yes. He's not a conflicted person, for all the contradictions. He's a basically happy person.

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