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Inheritors reaction post

Ok, I hear a bunch of you guys about to pop with spoilers! So here's the reaction post -- I'd love to hear what you think of The Inheritors!

There will be spoilers in comments!

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Shawn Edwards
Feb. 15th, 2013 02:42 pm (UTC)
The Inheritors was incredible!! I feel quite satisfied, a little sad and left hanging. Of course, I want more!

It was pretty cool reading about Radim Ladon directing his people and working with Lorne. I was constantly distracted since I tended to visualize Radim's alter ego Henry giving orders. It was a little weird.

I sure hope Elizabeth is out there somewhere like Daniel.

The politics are going to get very interesting. Just how much of a role should the IOA/Milky Way play in governing the Pegasus Galaxy? Is it really any of our business anymore?

I wish I could join Mel on Sateda.

It was a bummer that there was no leave taking scene with the Genii. I am torn about the possibility about them succeeding in creating an artificial version of the ATA gene that could greatly increase their ability to be a pain to the rest of the galaxy. I just don't trust them.

Jo,why no Traveler involvement?

So what did everyone else think?
jo_graham
Feb. 15th, 2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you liked it! :) It really makes me happy to hear that people enjoyed it after working on the Legacy series for more than three years!

I know. Henry. I love Henry too, and yeah, it's confusing. Even stranger, though, is imagining Ryan Robbins playing Bonaparte in my mental casting for The General's Mistress. When he's not Henry he's very Bonaparte! For your comparison: Ryan Robbins not playing Henry and the Arcola portrait which is contemporary with the book! Seriously.

Elizabeth is out there. We're sure she is.

I think the IOA has pretty much lost control of this situation. The Atlantis expedition is going to be one minor player in this.

I think Mel has a blast on Sateda. And I think she'll meet a nice Satedan girl and not have to hide it.

We talked about the Travelers and getting them into this book, and then decided that it was too much. In order to do it well, we'd need to give them the same kind of development we were giving the Genii and the Satedans, and there just wasn't room. We have length restrictions on each book, and we knew we were going to be pushing the limits to get everything in as it was. Rather than dash them in with a shoddy job, we left the story of the Travelers for another time.

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jansma
Feb. 15th, 2013 02:51 pm (UTC)
The three queens was one of those scenes that made me both sad and happy at the same time. I liked it well enough, but my favourite part for Teyla was telling Waterlight she wished for a daughter like her, and allowing her to take the credit for killing Death. That was as it should be, and meant the young queen will have no shortage of suitors in years to come. There will be friendships in the future, and sisterhood, which I also loved.

I laughed at Jack baring teeth with Guide, and cried when Guide shut his mind like a fist against the grief he carries. It is something we all do so well, and it is so very 'human'. :')

Of course, I loved that Jen went willingly with Guide. But then I would, and now I need to know that story. Perhaps I should write, it, and hope you'll find pleasure in it?
jo_graham
Feb. 15th, 2013 02:55 pm (UTC)
I expect Teyla's daughter will be quite a bit like Waterlight! :)

And yes, Waterlight needs the credit and Steelflower needs to disappear. Waterlight will become the legend, and she herself doesn't know it's a lie. She was trying. She simply wasn't strong enough yet.

And Guide has his daughter (who will keep him in line!) and his grandson. He can't regain what was lost, but he's not left with nothing.

You should write that story! Absolutely! :) And I'd love to read it.
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vickicass
Feb. 15th, 2013 05:25 pm (UTC)
I really loved the book all over.
to me there was really nothing wrong with it. if you added more groups to it it would of then got more confusing.

i was so glad when newton was found i was so worried for him.
i think the best part of the whole book, even though i upset with it, was the Ronon part. here he was all thses years as a runner and as he said to shepard "im not leaving this glaxlay till all the wraith are dead." we do at times tend to forget how much he hates the wraith. his choice was such a hard one for him to make. i was screaming at him to make the right choice and im glad he did.

I love the part with the three queens. it shows you who the next big players are and how well they work together.
another favorite of mine was Radck and Ember best brothers from now on?

i have one question though.....did mckay ascend? as he came back naked and that was the same way daniel did when he came back.

thank you so much again for writing them i hope MGM lets you guys keep going but if not i do understand. we have the best endding we can hope to get.
jo_graham
Feb. 15th, 2013 06:32 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you liked it!

Dear Newton. We had to take care of him. He's based on my own cat.

Ronon had a really hard choice. I think he made the right decision too -- as John said in Secrets, not to be that man, the one who can kill like that. That's the choice Ronon has. Who will he be? And ultimately he chose the right thing.

Radek and Ember was Melissa's scene. I was so pleased with it!

Hummm. What did happen to Rodney? ;) He doesn't know. I suppose you'll have to decide!
hiveshipmist
Feb. 15th, 2013 10:27 pm (UTC)
Wow, it was wonderful! :) Thanks for the well-balanced season 6, fair to all characters, including Wraith.

I have a question about the hives and cruisers feeding off of one another: Do they require lifeforce? What do they normally eat?
mescott
Feb. 15th, 2013 11:23 pm (UTC)
Thank you very much! We went with the idea that the hives, and Wraith ships in general, normally get their power from a relatively conventional power plant - there are nodes that function as transformers, allowing an interface between the more biological parts of the ships and the more mechanical ones. The feeding umbilicals are largely vestigial, used to finish the process when a new ship is created - essentially the "parent" hive provides additional power at various stages of the new hive's growth/construction. Under the (extreme) stress of battle, a ship can try to steal power from its enemy, but it's a last resort, a true sign of a desperate fight. when it gets to that stage, one ship probably won't survive.
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mkatlantis_13
Feb. 16th, 2013 07:31 am (UTC)
Good ending to a fantastic series. Here's hoping MGM greenlights Season 7!

Your comment earlier about Mel Hocken having a blast on Sateda, settling down with a nice girl and she can be herself about it intrigues me. While I agree that I wish I could join her on Sateda (world building and ultralights!), I had a brainwave about Mel. It strikes me that Mel WOULD find a nice girl to settle down with, but I suspect she would be someone who makes Colonel Mel Hocken, soldier, fighter pilot, astronaut, 'gate-traveler, galactic voyager, feel like a conservative hayseed. A firecracker, a wild woman that Mel would love and be passionate about, but have to run full tilt to catch up with (because Satedans do seem superhuman).

Grapple and board! Something that was very rarely used in the series. I think as far back as Siege Part 3. Love the idea that Waterlight is forced to go all in about it.

I love the living beings that are Ancient technology. Especially the Aveng- I mean, Pride of the Genii and Atlantis. That O'Neill would understand and acknowledge that these are not just crystals and computers, but a living consciousness that needs a pilot and that has it favorites. I always thought that it was a nuance that had been lacking in the show, that Ancient tech was no different from our own, despite the fact that the Ancients were at LEAST several MILLION years ahead of us, technologically.

And finally, I would love to be in on the conversation between Daniel Jackson and William discussing the Ancients. A fascinating evening. Well, let's be honest. If nothing dire was looming, the two of them would sit in a comfy room with books and artifacts and computers (and coffee!) for days discussing and debating what they learned until they collapsed from exhaustion.

Well done! Bring on season 7!

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jo_graham
Feb. 16th, 2013 05:58 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it!

Yeah, I can see that Mel might find someone who really kept her on her toes! And her ultralight, with enough adventure to keep her busy for a lifetime....

I'm glad you like the Ancient technology. Writing the City as a character was something I relaly loved.

I bet Daniel and William have a blast! And of course Daniel has to go check out the island, right? :)
mysra
Feb. 16th, 2013 09:48 am (UTC)
Thank you for getting Rodney back to being more normal again. No mind reading. Also like the queens and the story overall. Liked the end and that it's not that final. Would really like to read what they might find checking out the island? Hope you go on with writing us more stories. Thanks for not letting SGA die!
jo_graham
Feb. 16th, 2013 05:58 pm (UTC)
Rodney is discovering it's slowly wearing off. He might kind of miss it, just a little bit!

I'm so glad you enjoyed the books!
hiveshipmist
Feb. 16th, 2013 04:29 pm (UTC)
I'm curious if you (plural, all of the authors) had a reason for sparing The Old One, assuming Alabaster or someone else doesn't feed on him after Teyla leaves.
Shawn Edwards
Feb. 16th, 2013 05:55 pm (UTC)
I am guessing that they wanna keep their options open. What story could develop if he escaped to plot his revenge. He's been around a long time. Who knows what he might have stashed away or what knowledge he might have that all have now forgotten?

They can always kill him later if they decide to.
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kaviiq
Feb. 16th, 2013 07:01 pm (UTC)
I do still think that this was a far more satisfying end to the TV series, but I wonder where things will progress from here on out. Sure, Death is dead, the Old One is completely irrelevant, and the Wraith may have a way to keep themselves from starving while allowing humans to survive feedings. But that's really not an actual ending at all, and I'm okay with it.

But I still have to wonder what could come of Pegasus ten, one hundred, or a thousand years into the future. How will Waterlight and Bronze grow as leaders now that they've accepted that they're not children anymore? What will Darling's generation make of the retrovirus' effects, since they'll never know what it's like to drain anyone dry? How will we Earth humans keep up with an alliance knowing that our allies may have been around since the Stone Age, and will probably outlive us all the same? Will there ever be reparations - or at least non-hostile interactions - between Pegasus natives and the Wraith? Will it ever come out that the Wraith are Pegasus humans, albeit ones that were altered against their will?

And if that day comes, will it tear them apart or make them stronger?
jo_graham
Feb. 17th, 2013 12:33 pm (UTC)
I'm glad there is no ending! I'm glad we've left room for thousands of stories going forward, not left a situation where you never want to think about it again.

All of those questions are fascinating ones. There is another whole story there, isn't there? Perhaps you should write it! ;)
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hiveshipmist
Feb. 16th, 2013 11:07 pm (UTC)
Back again with another question (a compliment, I hope, because it means I keep pondering the reading). Alabaster spares The Old One, but Guide does not spare Ease. Father and daughter seem to differ here. Is this because Guide is a blade, not a Queen? Queens do more of the negotiating and trials, not acting immediately, whereas Guide is a battle-experienced warrior used to making quick decisions.
jo_graham
Feb. 17th, 2013 12:40 pm (UTC)
That, and they're different generations. Alabaster sees an opportunity whereas Guide does things the way it's usually done. And that's because he's suffered. He's the one who spent more than a decade in Kolya's prison. He's the one who lost his entire family. Alabaster's suffering has been much less and for a far shorter time. She is better able to forgive.

Ponder this: the way to make someone act with anger and hatred is to hurt them.

No one cries out for revenge, no one is as filled with hate, as those who have been injured. That's why third party peacemakers are necessary. That's why it's a news story when you see a headline like, "Mother forgives son's murderer." Because usually the injured are the first to want to injure back. The victim becomes the perpetrator who creates another victim who becomes another perpetrator.

Neither Ronon nor Guide can step out of that. Too much has happened to them. There is too much pain, too much real and present loss that can never be fixed. They are too damaged.

But Alabaster can move on. Just as Radek has. Radek doesn't have to fight the Cold War with Carson and John. And someday the children of Sateda may not have to hate the Wraith. That day hasn't come yet.

But it will.
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draco_stellaris
Feb. 17th, 2013 08:46 am (UTC)
Wow, I've just finished reading and all I can say is wow... So many very awesome moments, I don't know where to begin! So many beautiful moments, Wraith and human alike. I need some time to let it all sink in. As always, I particularly liked the flashback to the first Wraith. And of course especially this one... Knitting Wraith!

Oh, and of course not to forget: *fangirl squee* for Ember!

I rather like the end: all of the children of the Ancients now have a future together, as it should be. It may be fragile but it looks like on all sides there are enough individuals to make it work. I really like that you three didn't go for an easy solution, you didn't "de-fang" the Wraith but you let them keep their culture and their dignity, they are not tamed. But now they have a choice to form their future. Either they try to create a symbiotic relationship with humans, allowing them to become part of their lifestyle and treating them like partners in exchange for life force, or they just go on culling. Which would ulitmately lead to their own extinction as the human population would have no remorse in raising against them eventually.
jo_graham
Feb. 17th, 2013 12:58 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you liked it! That makes me very pleased! :)

The knitting Wraith! But of course that scene has a serious purpose too, to show that Ashes was the one who had to break himself to survive, and that Osprey and Wind had to simply turn it off, had to make people Kine. It's Ashes' broken edges that essentially unbalance him. He's passed beyond humanity, and the only way he can do that is to break. Meanwhile Osprey can calmly contemplate knitting needles of human bone. Because what else can she do? There are some very serious things being explored in this scene, and it's supposed to work on a whole bunch of different levels.

And no, the Wraith are not de-fanged! Their culture will change, as it must if they're to survive, but they will still be Wraith. Literal death will become symbolic death, and they have a choice about what their future will be. Everyone is left with a choice.
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raduancairinel
Feb. 18th, 2013 08:17 pm (UTC)
I loved it! There is really nothing else that I can think to say.
jo_graham
Feb. 19th, 2013 10:01 am (UTC)
Thank you! I'm so glad!
emm1978
Feb. 20th, 2013 10:12 am (UTC)
I've just finished reading the Inheritors and enjoyed it, so thanks to you and your fellow authors for all your effort and hard work, I know those of us who have always wanted more Atlantis have really appreciated it.

One thing I was curious about in the Inheritors is that unlike in the previous books we never really had a viewpoint from Death and the Old One, was this a decision made for the plot, to only really focus on the 'hero' characters or was it more a space/editorial decision?

jo_graham
Feb. 20th, 2013 11:52 pm (UTC)
You're welcome! I'm glad you enjoyed it!

The flashback with Ashes was intended to give a different view of the Old One, showing how he "got broken" as it were. It seemed like that was the piece that was missing, the thing the reader really needed to see, more than what he was doing in the present, as we can mostly tell that from the action. Also, not cutting to Queen Death's ship left some suspense for both the Atlantis expedition and Guide's Wraith about what exactly she was doing.
abhinavatlantis
Feb. 22nd, 2013 12:15 am (UTC)
I just finished reading the book and it was awesome!!! Thank you so much. The end was very satisfying. My favorite part was the description of John's bond with Atlantis while sitting in the chair. My favorite quote was O'Nielll said to Shepherd "Atlantis is your baby" or something like that I guess. Also the three queens part was beautiful. This has become my favorite book in the series!!

You might have answered this before but what are the chances for another series of books?

Also, I have never written any story or fanfiction, could you possibly guide me as to where I should start?

Thanks.

jo_graham
Feb. 22nd, 2013 06:37 pm (UTC)
Thank you so much! I'm glad you enjoyed it! I love writing John in the chair -- one of my favorite things too.

We don't know yet about another series. It's really up to MGM at this point, and their negotiations with Fandemonium.

Hummm. How to start! What a good question. I would start by finding one scene that you wish had been in the book. Maybe it's a scene that goes on longer. Maybe it's characters reacting to something that happened. Maybe it's something hinted at but never explored. And just write the scene. Start with one scene. The classic "missing scene" is often people's first story!
silverbullet27
Feb. 25th, 2013 05:11 pm (UTC)
Finished the book yesterday and I have to say, the whole series is great. There are some points I'm not really able to agree with (like the painted fingerclaws *cough*), but the picture You three did paint from the Wraith is very intense, logical and resonable. Thank You all for these great books!

But... I do have some questions You might answer:

Are there still other queens than Waterlight and Alabaster around right now? Some who were able to avoid the battle of Atlantis as You said before?

What about Ember? Will he work together with Keller? Will he visit Zelenka on Atlantis?

Guide... will he retire? He sure can't claim to be the consort of his adult daughter - stay a Lord and member of the council, but also commander?

What about the Old One? What is he up to do now? Does any queen want him on her hive after all he started?

And: who's the father of Darling? *g* I really love to know! :D
jo_graham
Feb. 25th, 2013 07:46 pm (UTC)
I'm so glad you enjoyed it! We loved writing the Wraith, and I'm happy it worked for you, aside from the nail polish! :)

Yes, there are other queens. There are some who avoided Death's call to battle, and some minor queens like Waterlight who had managed to worm out of committing to Death's alliance.

I expect Ember will be back to Atlantis, yes. And that he'll work with Jennifer. I also expect he will spend some time impressing Alabaster! She likes clevermen.

I think Guide will stay a leading counselor of Alabaster's zenana, and as her Father he will have stature second to none but her eventual Consort.

I think Alabaster will keep an eye on him. She doesn't trust him as far as she can throw him!

It's sad. Darling's father was the commander of the cruiser that Alabaster escaped on, a young blade who was her first love. He stayed aboard the cruiser until it crashed, trying to avert the crash for the sake of his men, having given Alabaster the only lifepod. He could not save his ship, but he died knowing that his queen and their unborn child had a chance.
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Erick Brockway
Mar. 15th, 2013 05:38 pm (UTC)
Well, I failed...
...in my quest to read them all from the beginning. It started with ONE paragraph...now I'm at 82%!

One part I had to read over and over, just to savor it, was when Ember met Tayla and fell to his knees. In fact, I'm reading it again now :)
jo_graham
Mar. 15th, 2013 08:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Well, I failed...
I'm so glad you're enjoying it! I think it came out the way we wanted.

And I'm glad you like Ember and Teyla. Wait till you get Teyla and Death! :)
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