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Third Path spoilers post

So now that it's been out for a little bit and some of you have read it, any thoughts/question on Third Path?

There will be spoilers in comments!

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emm1978
Jul. 23rd, 2015 01:28 pm (UTC)
Well first off I really enjoyed The Third Path, it was great to spend a little more time with the Stargate Atlantis characters and I've really enjoyed the whole legacy series, so a big thank you to you and everyone involved in the series and I hope that someday we will get to read some more, because there are so many more stories to tell.

I particularly loved the section of the book set on Atlantis, Lorne in particular was wonderful and I also loved the conclusion of Elizabeth's story.

I do have one or two questions.

1) First of all, and perhaps the only thing I was really frustrated about after reading the book......who is in charge of Atlantis now? With Woolsey back on Earth who do you think the IOA would choose to put in charge? Jackson, Sheppard or someone else entirely?

2) Do you think Elizabeth will eventually be back in Atlantis, and would that perhaps cause problems between Teyla and John, John and Elizabeth's relationship was, while undefined, an important part of the story and now that she's back I could see some possible issues arising. (Personally I would love it, while I'm not wild on the Teyla/John pairing or even the Elizabeth/John pairing, I love a good triangle, I'm twisted that way!)

3) Bit cheeky this but what in Legacy would you have liked to have taken further than you were able to, personally - and I suspect a lot of readers feel the same - I would like to have seen more of the relationships that MGM seem to be allergic to. I would love to know if Zelenka and Dr Lynne are able to get past whatever happened between them, I would have loved for Lorne and Cadman to get together and would love to see Rodney use his experiences to grow as a character and start a real, adult and healthy relationship with someone, though I suspect the Keller boat would have sailed after Legacy, but what were the story lines that you might liked to have taken further than you were able to?



Edited at 2015-07-23 01:32 pm (UTC)
kickstand75
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:21 pm (UTC)
Can I piggyback on number 3 here? I still want to know what happened when Teyla showed John her secret hideaway. ;)

Ronon. I loved your development of Ronon over this series of books. You essentially took a tank/muscle who's depths were only ever hinted at on TV and showed a side that many had never seen.

The identity of the Wolf. I cried a little at the resolution of this storyline. And how right it was.

Great job all around for the whole of the series. It's one I wholeheartedly wish we'd gotten to see onscreen and live.
jo_graham
Jul. 23rd, 2015 03:23 pm (UTC)
I'm sure it was very sweet. I may have written that scene simply for my own pleasure! :)

I'm glad you liked what we did with Ronon. Melissa and Amy wrote him primarily, and I really loved their development.

I cried too. I cried when I wrote the last scene in the Atlanta airport.

Thank you. Thank you so much.
kickstand75
Jul. 23rd, 2015 06:27 pm (UTC)
I may have imagined myself writing that scene for my own pleasure. HA! It's a good scene to imagine.
jo_graham
Jul. 23rd, 2015 02:37 pm (UTC)
I'm glad you enjoyed it! It was such an honor and a pleasure to work on this series.

Elizabeth will be in charge in Atlantis again. She's the only person the IOA can agree on! :)

In terms of ships I wish I could have explored, or would if I could in future books, I would really like to see Elizabeth/Rodney. I know. There are about three Elizabeth/Rodney shippers on the planet! LOL. But I always felt like there was deep friendship and respect there, and that they complimented each other well. Rodney doesn't give Elizabeth crap because she calls him on it and he respects her, and at the same time he pulls her out of her comfort zone. And yeah, for a while here Rodney's all about the blond trophy girlfriend kind of thing (which is one reason I think he and Jennifer go so badly astray), but I think he would come to the realization that what he really needs is someone his own age who he genuinely respects. So if I had my way, and of course this won't happen, I would move in a Rodney/Elizabeth direction.

I think Zelenka and Lynn did get past it. There were some lines there that were cut which suggested so in Inheritors.

Lorne and Cadman -- I think that's long term. Right now she's on the Hammond and he's in Atlantis, so they don't see each other much. Again, if I were in charge (not!) I would have Lorne get SG-1 after Cam and that would open up some possibilities.

Jennifer and Rodney -- I think you're right that boat has sailed. They may get back together at some future date, but I think Jennifer needs some time and space to figure out her own life first. She's ten years younger than he is. (And I was always Jennifer/Ronon rather than Jennifer/Rodney.)

So these are my own opinions, not MGM, not approved by anyone! JMO, folks!

emm1978
Jul. 23rd, 2015 05:25 pm (UTC)
Wow I had never even thought of Rodney and Elizabeth.....hmmm......in all honesty I think she'd strangle him but it might be fun to watch.

Just wanted to add as well that I agree that Ronan has been brilliantly portrayed throughout the whole, and more often or not I found myself agreeing with his viewpoint more than the other characters (something I would never have thought based on the way he has been written in the show).

One more question for now ;) do you think the Vanir will be successful in bringing back their race? (And can I add what a kick I got out of the section on Eilean Mhuire as I was on a boat passing the Shiant Isles just last month when I was visiting relatives, I regret to report no sign of any Vanir or ascended beings but I'll certainly keep a look out the next time I'm there!)
jo_graham
Jul. 30th, 2015 01:38 pm (UTC)
She might strangle him, but Rodney always deals better with Elizabeth's authority than anyone else's.

I'm glad you like Ronon! Amy and Melissa wrote him so well.

I do think the Vanir will be successful. It will take them decades, but I think they will prevail with Ran's help.

That is so cool that you had just been there! If you see any Vanir or Asgard, be sure to let us know! :D
Shawn Edwards
Aug. 7th, 2015 12:22 am (UTC)
I just wish this had happened before the Ida Asgard gave up:(. I wonder if they knew of Ran? How did Daniel ever discover this shrine to contact Ascended beings? I don't recall any such site!

Edited at 2015-08-07 12:23 am (UTC)
Shawn Edwards
Aug. 7th, 2015 12:20 am (UTC)
Rodney and Elizabeth is an interesting pairing! I can see what Rodney gets out of it but what about Elizabeth? The scene that pops into my head is the Tao of Rodney when she writes that 500 page book on Elizabeth. I think he understands her better then most!
jo_graham
Aug. 19th, 2015 01:03 pm (UTC)
I think Elizabeth really likes and respects Rodney -- likes him for himself. After all, she initially chose him for the Atlantis expedition and made him head of sciences. And they always seem to get along well, even when she occasionally has to rein him in. I think it worked that she would give up her Ascension to save his life!
craterdweller
Jul. 24th, 2015 03:54 am (UTC)
I loved that Lorne and Zelenka had some meaty parts to play in this one. In fact, one of the things that I loved most about the Legacy series in general was that so many characters got a bit of the limelight. Ronan's direction at the end was very much in character too.

Hmm, Rodney/Elizabeth ... I can see it on Rodney's side - particularly after his experiences as a Wraith and viewing her as a Queen... Although presumably Elizabeth's been changed some too by her ascension/deascension experiences, kinda like how different Daniel was when he came back... Guess I'd have to see them interact some more ...

I thought Third Path was a nice wrap up to the Legacy series.

Are there more standalone novels or series planned?

Edited at 2015-07-24 03:56 am (UTC)
jo_graham
Jul. 30th, 2015 02:17 pm (UTC)
I'm glad Lorne and Zelenka had good parts too. They've always been favorites of mine.

Rodney/Elizabeth -- it could happen! At least I think so! :)

There are more standalone novels that will be set back during the series. I don't know if anything will try to take the Atlantis team further forward.
jansma
Jul. 25th, 2015 10:28 am (UTC)
What I want more of, and you aren't going to be the least bit surprised, is how the relationship between Wraith and human develop. The only thing I found really tough to deal with, in the whole book, was Guide's utter conviction that they would be at odds again in the future.

I never took him for such a pessimist, given that he's been so willing to risk the very nature of his species by changing them at an extremely fundamental level. If anything, I've always thought he would drive that agenda i.e. without full cooperation between species, one of them will be exterminated - and that will be the Wraith. Not that there won't be rocks on that particular path, but it's certainly something I think they would explore. They'd have to, surely?

I loved Jackson's chat with Ember. That was very telling, but I think Ember was more than a bit disingenuous. We all know Alabaster had her own human zenana while she was in exile, and the business about 'pets' is deserving of a lot of examination. As was his throw away comment about Guide and his previous attitude towards them. Oh really...?
m_nivalis
Jul. 25th, 2015 04:42 pm (UTC)
Huh, I thought it was a perfectly in character thing for him to do: playing the very long game and making sure there was at least three backup plans in case the best case scenario failed.

jansma
Jul. 25th, 2015 05:55 pm (UTC)
Yes, that's what he does. But I didn't see that, which is why I brought it up. Now, it may be I'm a numpty, and missed something, in which case I'll just crawl back in my hole and pull my rock back over me, but I honestly felt he'd stopped making a half-dozen plans in which he features as God Emperor of Pegasus and just saw the one: failure.
jo_graham
Jul. 30th, 2015 03:01 pm (UTC)
You're definitely going to get more of the relationship between humans and Wraith in Melissa's upcoming novella, Lost Queen! I've read the first bits. I think you'll like it a lot.

Re: Guide. I think he believes and trusts this group, for what it's worth. He thinks Weir and Sheppard and Carter and for that matter Jennifer, are on the up and up. But, to quote a different fair-haired immortal monarch, "A hundred years is a blink in the life of an elf!" Guide is very aware that he and his folk will long outlive anyone who makes an alliance with them now. Will the governments of Earth honor it in a hundred years? In five hundred?
jansma
Jul. 30th, 2015 05:14 pm (UTC)
Was kinda hoping, because I'm an optimist, and you can take the girl away from Trek but you can't take the Trek outta the girl, if you know what I mean, that they would be able to thrash through their differences. Even if generations of humans pass, even if others change, it just seems a shame to come this far and then fall. It's true you can't guess what the future will hold, but maybe they could become true friends - of the kind that always have each others back. There's my problem, I suppose, always looking for the UFP. :(
rhopalocera
Aug. 13th, 2015 05:26 pm (UTC)
Any idea when it will be available in paperback? I've been haunting Amazon daily for it to no avail.
jo_graham
Aug. 19th, 2015 02:03 pm (UTC)
It should be up very soon. The first paper copies, literally shipped straight from the printers, arrived to the publisher on Friday. So they should have shipped to Amazon at the same time. I would guess they received them Monday, probably. So however long it takes them to open the boxes and update the website!
rhopalocera
Aug. 19th, 2015 06:30 pm (UTC)
Thanks for responding. I checked again today and it was available. My copy is ordered and should be here in 2 days... yay! I can't wait to read it. :)
Cecilia T Reynoso
Aug. 18th, 2015 04:32 am (UTC)
Dekaas and Jennifer character development
I was curious will there be possible further character development for jennifer and dekaas later in the stargate Atlantis world cause I would
love to know how the character jennifer changed living in a hive ship and in a way Guide inadvertently has two 'pets' jennifer and now dekaas. Jennifer may change more as she learns from dekaas extremely long life experiences and dekaas would change as well. That's a whole other story line or short story.
jo_graham
Aug. 19th, 2015 02:04 pm (UTC)
Re: Dekaas and Jennifer character development
It is! There's a lot that could happen there. That's one thing I'd love to explore in the future -- what Jennifer's life is like among the Wraith.
Cecilia T Reynoso
Aug. 19th, 2015 07:18 pm (UTC)
Meeting with Jennifer
I get the impression Guide does not like McKay around jennifer since he gave him a hard time seeing her this time and now Jen seems used to be around wraith in general since she did not jump when Guide appeared behind her I'm guessing she's been on the hive ship for few years now judging by the fact in the book it mentioned how her hair is really long now

Edited at 2015-08-19 07:20 pm (UTC)
jo_graham
Aug. 20th, 2015 03:01 pm (UTC)
Re: Meeting with Jennifer
I think in general Guide doesn't like McKay! And yes, Jennifer has definitely gotten used to him.
Cecilia T Reynoso
Aug. 24th, 2015 07:45 pm (UTC)
Ember and Daniel talk
I liked that discussion Ember and Daniel had about wraith culture and pets that's a whole other can a worms that I think would never make it in a TV format since it would not contribute to the overall plot but could be explored in writing
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